so it has become habit for me to go out of my way when driving to make sure i can give it the finger as i drive by.
i especially like to do this on the way to one of my favorite bars, especially on meeting nights just so people who knew me can see me do it.
i don't know why, but this has become a tradition of sorts.
About 3 weeks ago, Loubelle (my daughter) and myself went into the car park and I put my cig out in the front door. It sounds so stupid, but I really got a kick out of it. We laughed so much, then got a fright and thought that they had spy camras, then we laughed so much again just thinking of the body of elders watching it and their comments.
It felt great, must say.
And it feels great telling someone else.
my nearly 18 year old son lives out of state.
just recently, he agreed to look at the reasons why my wife and i don't go to the meetings anymore.
he is very active, so i was suprised to hear that he wants to know why.
Yes, one comment said Love Bomb Him.
The scary part is if you take him tho church they might start talking about Jesus toooo much and that will put him off, as from my own experience when I first started going to chruch in Jan of this year, but I continued as I got the born again experience and eyes were open. BUT LET US REMEMBER....DO NOT PUT GOD IN A BOX, this just might be your sons turning point.
What I found is and read many a book about how to answer JW ....the most important thing is to undermine the "faithful and discreet slave" ..go on the net, get your info, then get the mags that show the liars that was told.
Also try and get, on the net, Russell's grave site with the pyramid and cross..even though he might say light gets brighter and .........that image will stay in his mind.
I also try and not put God in a box so I must say this let Gods Sprit guide you first, if you feel the need to say come to our "gathering" etc then do, if the Sprit does not lead you in that direction then don't do it, just follow the Spirit.
All the best, my heart goes out to you.
what does dub stand for?.
i keep on reading posts and going back in the archives but alas my question goes unanswered!
feel free to add any definitions that may come to mind!.
For me that was a wonderful post, as I am still a newbie.
I lol.
It was great to put that at the end. I am still lol.
dear randall,.
i am 21 years old, and 6 months ago i was.
disfellowshipped by my congregation, after being.
She will find her way thank God and thanks for that post.
I just wish it was my small sisters letter.
some of you may know, but i have been on a serious journey through watchtower "theology", and by association, have gone back all through the history of christianity.
i know many on this list have gone thru the same thing.
i have checked out probably 100 archeological, religious, and history books from the library.
I felt just the same. Went into EVERYTHING. Downloaded tons of paper. Got books. Different bibles, greek you name it.
But what bothers me is the people still IN the org. Like my small sister, she is the most lovely person out, she does not attend regually but her kids stell do, and he kids dont talk to me, but she still dows anyway I had this info on the society the lias etc and she has not even picked it up to LOOK SEE. She is not afraid it is she is just not bothered.
Thats what bothers me, I have seen all the nonsense the society has printed, said and I just want to share it with her, but to no effect.
Yes I agree, the society have not even BOTHERED to contact anyone of the familes that have been ruined by their crap. Me for one can't wait to give blood just to break the "spell".
hello everyone, just wanted to say hello and let you know a bit about my story and tell you how thankful i am that i found this site!.
i was never a baptized jw although in the early 90's i studied for about 3 years and was an un-baptized publisher for about 1 year before my doubts about some of the beliefs and also my inability to overlook the constant hypocracy of the elders did me in.
sadly it was not before i dragged the love of my life into it, and also my sister (they are both baptized although she left after seeing the elders double standards when it came to doling out counsel/punishment to their own families, he is still in) anyway even though i couldn't bring myself to commit to the org because of the crap i saw going on in the 2 different halls i attended i still believed it was the truth...what an idiot!
Welcome, welcome.
Oh how good it is to welcome you.
Eyes are OPEN.
Stay.
let me start by saying that i have the deepest respect for all of you who have left the organization.
some of us choose to leave in spirit only but remain physically for any number of reasons.
i have respect for you because youve been able to push through what i know is a terribly dense cloud to get to the point where you see the org for what it really is.. others choose to fade, which in many ways is harder than leaving out right.
They had just announced that loubelle and myself are no longer........but I will be very game to put in a letter announcing, Independence day or Freedom Day.
Then I will get a chance to tell them that they a a bunch of liars etc and put the BLOOD ON THEIR HEAD.
We in South Africa, just let me know.
Great!
a few months ago we had a local needs part about supporting the cbs field service on saturday.
it was given by a nice older elder, but what he said was pretty scary.
he used all the phrases and logic that are usually used for meeting attendance.
Welcome.
We had to go out every Sat to do street work, it was expected of us. We would all meet in town at one end then walk allllllllllllllllllll the way up to the beachfront, talking to every 6 or so person, until I started to feel guilty and forced myself to talk to evey person coming towads me or from behind me, so exhausting.
Then the best part was breakfast. But not for long as we had some older sister with us and we had to get back out again on the streets. Many a time on a Sat for 6 or so hours to get in the time to make the 60 hours.
Just dont know to this day why oh why I did that.
But many of a time I used to lie on my field service report and just put in say 10 hours when I only did 2. My daughter and myself told a couple of people that we lied, when it was announced that we are no longer a jw, because now we have nothing to hide or fear. I am sure that a lot of jw do that, lie on the report. 20 hours, 5 RV, 1 book, 15 mags. etc, but if you have a bible study then you are the best.
Anyway if you are 50 or so years its just 15min. Now the old dears will put 1 hour.
THERE 15 MIN OF FAME.
my brother, who has been dfed for many, many years is going to a baptist church.
he just started attending recently and had a discussion with the baptist minister about the trinity.
my brother still believes many doctrines of the jw's.
To tell you honestly, the only way your brother will ever find out about John1;1 is to get the KIT (the kingdom interlinear translation of the greek) the society's pub. Then get another Greek Interlinear from a Christian bookstore, get himself 2 or 3 different bibles, a bible dictionery, sit down with all that and pray for God's Spirit to show him.
Believe me when I was confused with the topic of the Godhead / Trinity, I went to the one pastor or elder in this church, he said to me that he could not tell me (not because he did not want to speak to a exjw, or because he did not know) because YOU HAVE TO GET YOUR OWN REVELATION FROM GOD.
And if he really wants to know, it will be shown to him.
The Society have liad to him and me for years and years. They have changed the bible and put in words and taken out. I am not just saying this, I have had to go and look all this up. I have been on to web pages, freeminds, etc etc.
God, Jesus and The Holy Spirit are one, that was and still is new to me, but it was revealed to me from God himself, and that is what your brother has to do, it must be reveled to him by God.
Can check www.uq.net.au
Lots of subjects, but very SIMPLE, excellent read.
Godhead, Jesus if he should be worshiped, The Holy spirit etc etc
All the best
max
i have been df'd for over 3 years (for the third time... you know it's the charm).
i have an 8 year old who is being taught by my parents the same things that i was taught, including how we can't celebrate birthdays.
i have been doing a little research on the origin of worldly customs, such as weddings and birthdays only to find that there are many wedding customs that witnesses have adopted that have pegan origins.
4 BIRTHDAYS MENTIONED IN THE BIBLE, theJW say only 2.
Birthday of Pharaoh, criminal was beheaded (Gen;40:20)
Birthday of Herod, J the Baptist was beheaded reluctantly (Matt; 14:6)
Birthday of Job's sons "held a banquet at the house of each one on his own day". (Job:1:4)
Birthday of Jesus. The birth of Christ, celebrated by the angles in song and glory. (luke 2:10-14)
The rules of the Watchtoer
To celebrate a Wedding and buy gifts? OK
To celebrate the birth of a child and buy gifts? OK
To celebrate the anniversary of a wedding and buy gifts? OK
To celebrate the anniversary of a birth? NO - PAGAN
I got this above info from www.uq.net.au
So tell your son if the angles in the Heaven can celebrate Jesus the Kings birthday and can get gifts, then yes it is right that you celebrate his Birthday as well.
AND HAVE A BIG SPLASH
Then tell him "just you wait for Christmas"
